I've blogged and done videos on Winger's first two videos on women in ministry and the home. Here is the paper trail:
1. His introductory video: my blog post.and video response
2.1 His material on Genesis 1: my blog post and video response
2.2 His material on Genesis 2-3: my blog post on Gen 2 and video response to both Genesis 2-3
I see I didn't blog post on Genesis 3 but it is covered in the video.
And now, his third (almost two hour) video on women in the Old Testament. I think I'm somewhere over 4 hours in. 8+ hours to go.
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1. I was a little disappointed with this video. On Genesis 1 and 3, I thought he was mostly right. On Genesis 2, I thought he had things out of focus, although his exegesis wasn't bad. But in this video, I think his biases did a lot of the steering of the ship.
We get a little of his personal journey in the video. He says in effect that he wanted to be an egalitarian but the exegesis (primarily of the female scholars) he investigated was so bad that it turned him off. He seems especially to have it in for Aimee Byrd.
Miriam
2. When I think of Miriam, I think #3 leader in Israel at the least, maybe even co-#2 with Aaron. Clearly Moses is number 1. We might call Aaron #2 because he plays the role of priest (he is never called high priest in the Old Testament). But Miriam is clearly a leader of Israel too. It seems a natural reading of the text to see her as a higher authority than any other male in Israel except for these two.
Winger spends a little time in Micah 6:4. He spends most of his time targeting egalitarian overreach. It's just a distraction. She is a leader of all the other men in Israel. Full stop.
"I sent before you Moses, Aaron, and Miriam." There you have it. Miriam was a leader of Israel as part of God's plan. She's at least #3, out "before" Israel. She is thus a leader of Israel. God puts her in a higher place of authority than all the other men of Israel.
Margaret Mowczko rightly points out that in Exodus 15:21, Miriam sings to "them" -- masculine plural. That is, she is singing to all of Israel, including the men. The previous verse calls her a prophetess. That is, she is prophecying to all of Israel in this song. God is thus speaking Scripture into existence through her. God is using her to breathe Exodus 15. None of this seems particularly controversial to me.
3. Again, Winger spends a lot of time making fun of interpreters (Aimee Byrd again) saying that Israel waited on Miriam after her rebellion in Numbers 12. He rightly points out that it was God who decided when Israel moved forward in the wilderness. He is arguing against interpreters who say that Israel didn't wait on Miriam during her uncleanness because they saw her as their leader.
While I was listening to all this, I was thinking to myself. So... you're saying that God did not want Israel to move forward until Miriam could rejoin them? How does that make her less significant than if it was merely Israel waiting on her.
I chuckled to myself like he chuckles at Aimee Byrd. So it was God that wanted Miriam back in place before they proceeded. OK. :-)
Huldah
3. With Huldah, he chuckles at Aimee Byrd again. You know, when I go read the passages he mentions in her book, she doesn't sound nearly as laughable as he treats her repeatedly. I have to wonder if something is going on with him here. Maybe he needs a little therapy.
For example, she writes, "Here we have a prophetess who is described as 'arguably the first person to grant authoritative status to the Torah scroll deposited in the temple treasury.'" Byrd is actually quoting someone else, but he laughs at her. It's not even an outrageous statement. Let's dig in.
They are refurbishing the temple. The high priest "finds" the Book of the Law. Most scholars think it was some form of Deuteronomy. Winger and Byrd both think it's the whole Pentateuch.
But let the situation sink in. The high priest hasn't apparently known where the Law was. From Josiah's reaction upon hearing it, he has never heard it before. Josiah instructs the high priest to inquire of Yahweh.
Again, let that sink in. Judah has not been using the Law apparently for a long time. In fact, think of the prophets Elijah and Elisha. Deuteronomy says they should not be offering sacrifices in the north (Deut. 12:14-15). They're only supposed to sacrifice in Jerusalem. Think of Samuel who offered sacrifices all over the place and not just in the tabernacle. It's like none of these prophets have read Deuteronomy.
According to 2 Chronicles 34, the Passover that followed this event surpassed all the Passovers since Samuel. That fact lends some support to the idea that the Book of the Law largely had not been accessed since then. I'm sure there were traditions in Deuteronomy that they kept, but it was largely lost, it seems.
4. So, Josiah instructs Hilkiah the high priest to go and inquire of Yahweh in relation to the book. Many do in fact believe that Josiah is looking for verification that the book is legit. He thinks it is, but he wants to be sure. And he wants to know what the LORD's instructions are given how long Judah has been oblivious to the book.
Here is where I question both Winger and Byrd. The text does not say that Josiah sent the high priest specifically to Huldah. Josiah simply tells the high priest to inquire of the LORD. It is the high priest that seeks out Huldah.
Apparently, the high priest does not have a close enough connection with the LORD to seek him himself -- even though he presumably enters the Most Holy Place once a year. The high priest seeks out a higher spiritual authority than him. Huldah.
By the way, she's married. Having a husband presents no problem whatsoever for her to prophecy to the king and the high priest. She is clearly a higher spiritual authority than the king or the high priest. And being married makes no difference to her exercise of spiritual authority.
Does she verify that the Book of the Law is legit? I have always seen it that way. I say that she recognized its authoritative status rather than "granted" it. At the very least, she instructs the king and high priest what to do with it. And that is pretty significant.
Why did the high priest not go to Jeremiah or Zephaniah instead? They are around at the time. We don't know. Winger says she was in town and her husband worked in the palace. OK. It doesn't diminish the fact that the high priest and king submitted to her words, spoken from the LORD through her.
See more on priests below. Huldah is the highest spiritual authority in Israel in this moment.
Deborah
5. Deborah is the highest political leader within Israel in Judges 4. She is judging Israel (4:4). She is actually the only judge in Israel who does what the judges of Exodus 18:21-22 and 25-26 do. All the rest of them are merely military leaders that God raises up to fight back Israel's conquerers. She actually makes judge type decisions for the people. She is also the only judge about whom nothing negative is said. All the others in Judges are at least partial failures while she is a model judge.
Winger does a little flatlanding in this section. That is to say, he assumes that the ideal structure of Deuteronomy is in place with high priests doing what they're supposed to do and so forth.
However, Judges is the wild wild west. It has a much rawer, early feel than say Joshua. Joshua reads like a tidy position paper. If we read Judges inductively, it doesn't look like the ideal of Joshua is in place at all. This is why many scholars would argue that Joshua dates to a later time than the traditions of Judges. Joshua is telling us how it should have been. Judges is telling us how it really was.
So when Winger tries to say that she's a judge but not a teacher of Israel because that's what the priests and Levites do, he's imposing Deuteronomy on Judges. The Levite in Judges is no moral example or instructor in the Law (Judges 19). In fact, we get the impression from Judges that priests at this time are pretty much around to make sacrifices to deities, not because there is any true spiritual depth or understanding.
Judges 17-18 give us a good glimpse of the wild west dimension of Israel at this time. You've got a guy named Micah in Ephraim. Decides he wants to make a shrine. Melts some gold, makes an idol.
Now he needs a priest, a "Levite." He finds a man "from the family of Judah" who is a Levite (Judg. 17:7). It's as if they don't know that Levites are descendants of Levi. Micah hires the guy to be priest in his shrine.
Meanwhile, despite the fact that Joshua tells us the tribe of Dan already has its allotment of land, the Danites of Judges 18:1 are still looking. They hire this Levite to come be their priest in the north. His descendants are priests in Dan until the time of the Assyrians, maybe even the Babylonians -- that is, through the whole period of the kings.
This entire story is crazy in the light of the Pentateuch as we have it. My point is that Winger is flatlanding it when he assumes that the priests are teaching the people the Law so that couldn't have been a function Deborah did. The priests seem to know almost nothing of the Law as we know it.
So let me state what has always seemed obvious to me. Deborah is not only the highest political authority in the land at this time -- the judge of Israel for forty years (Judg. 5:31). She is a prophetess and, as far as we can tell, the key spokesman for Yahweh in Israel as well. And she is married. Barak is the fighter, but he implores her to go along with him too so that they will win (4:8), and she give instructions to him from Yahweh (4:6).
Miriam, Huldah, and Deborah were exceptional for Old Testament times, but they show that women in leadership and ministry was possible even under the old covenant. There was no prohibition against it. And if there was no absolute prohibition on it, then how much more in the age of the Spirit should we expect women in ministry and leadership to be perfectly normal.
Priests
6. Let me get to the punchline first. There are no men or women today who are correlates to the Old Testament priests. Jesus is the only high priest. Hebrews is clear. None of the Old Testament sacrifices could actually take away sins (Heb. 10:4). Only the sacrifice of Christ did (10:14). Only Jesus is this type of effectual priest (7:23-25).
In a sense, there is a priesthood of all believers, which includes women (1 Pet. 2:9). We all have access to God through Christ, and the temple veil is torn in two (Mark 15:38). And there is Christ, the only high priest in the true, heavenly tabernacle (Heb. 8:1-2).
Bottom line. The fact that the priests of the old covenant were all male has nothing to do with whether women can be ministers today. We can ask why they were only men in the old covenant. The Bible gives us no answer. It certainly fit the culture of the day.
Why did Jesus come as a man? I can find no theological reason why he couldn't have come as a woman. But he had to pick one, and in the world to which he came, being a man was most beneficial.
7. Let me make a bold observation. The priests of the Old Testament are not known for their godliness. They are not known for their spiritual insight. Yes, in Deuteronomy they are supposed to teach the Law (Deut. 33:10). But we almost never hear of them actually doing it (cf. 2 Chron. 15:3). Deuteronomy is a kind of position paper that apparently was rarely carried out. Malachi, at the end of the Old Testament, is still indicting priests for failing in this regard (Mal. 2:7).
We can look from the Levite who becomes the priest of Dan in Judges 18 to Eli and his sons in 1 Samuel to the fact that Hilkaiah himself can't say what to do with the Law. To all the prophetic words against all the vain sacrifices that Israel offers (Isa. 1:11; Mic. 6:6-7). To the words that Jeremiah speaks to those who put their faith in the temple (Jer. 7:4). He mentions that God allowed Shiloh to be destroyed in the north (7:12).
Bottom line: The priests in the Old Testament by and large are not in any way models of godliness or true spiritual insight. The prophets are those who are models of godliness in the Old Testment. They are the closest correlates to ministers today, and women are obviously among them. The priests of the old covenant offer sacrifices, and that's about it.
Kings
Women were not kings in Old Testament times. That's just the way it was. Winger is correct that the two examples of royal women are ungodly, but all the kings of the north were ungodly and the vast majority of kings in the south were too. I find no data here of relevance to the contemporary debate.
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