tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post3927691762815211264..comments2024-03-28T09:52:15.415-04:00Comments on Common Denominator: The Turn of the Century WC: Black and DruryKen Schenckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-58306900415040764742012-09-03T20:12:08.860-04:002012-09-03T20:12:08.860-04:00JM, I don't know enough about Obamacare to end...JM, I don't know enough about Obamacare to endorse or reject it. I like the idea of universal health care, am nervous about our government running it. My comment on states rights is just one potential piece of the puzzle. My hunch is that issues like this one have many pieces, some of which we will like and some of which we would reject. The net sum would be my vote... but since I don't make those decisions ;-)Ken Schenckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-62974995439403949722012-09-03T19:59:15.457-04:002012-09-03T19:59:15.457-04:00Ken, you may be right about states rights and heal...Ken, you may be right about states rights and health care, but surely you are aware of the schools (Wheaton, Biola, I think and some others) who are suing the Feds over the contraception language in the bill. To me this is an entirely different matter. There are times when you seem to have a libertarian bent (a minor one, perhaps) that should make you sympathetic to some of the nuances of the arguments against totally government run health care....even though the system as it stands is not perfect by far.John Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00060404930391236792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-50882622582366401052012-09-03T17:58:22.594-04:002012-09-03T17:58:22.594-04:00The original workers in the South and North until ...The original workers in the South and North until the period from 1660-1710 were indentured servants whose term lasted up to 7 years. Slavery was already forbidden in Europe and it was simply an exploitation system of one race by another as a white supremacy device and a coercive economic system. Free labor was available in New England and the Northwest for farming(even on comparatively large tracts of land after the invention of the McCormack reaper). Slavery was endemic to many societies including in the ancient Greco-Roman world. But, America claimed we were an exceptional country with a god given mission. Slavery was(and is)morally repugnant. White mid-westerners and many yeomen farmers in the South and New Englande labored in hot climates without slavers(cf the life of Lincoln). States Rights was the gloss which justified slavery(see the pro-slavery writings of John C. Calhoun and other noted racists). Examine the historical writings of T. H. Williams, Charles Dew and Kenneth Stampp on slavery and government.John C. Gardnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-31758725798231959342012-09-03T14:44:36.079-04:002012-09-03T14:44:36.079-04:00John and Ken,
States, as every other entity, have...John and Ken,<br /><br />States, as every other entity, have to survive, economically. That is a fact of life. The South was mainly an agricultural society which had to rely on slavery (workers) to get the job done. <br /><br />The North, on the other hand, was more industrialized. Therefore, just as it is anachronistic to say something is "scripture for today" without understanding the ancient context, it is presumptive to assume that the industrialized North could understand the needs of the South. The same could be argued about small businesses versus large corporations!<br /><br />How people "see" things is their prejuidice/bias and a lot of variables go into coming to terms with their judgments and priorities. Hasn't it been researched that most people judge on feelings, not on facts? <br /><br />So, I do not think it had anything to do with their views about slaves or themselves (modern day politically correct "prejuidice"), other than seeking to survive.<br /><br />Isn't it a fact that some Africans sold their "brothers" into slavery? So, weren't the Southern genteel culture functioning according to their understanding of "social order", meaning that slaves were brought into this country for a certain purpose. What was wrong was not so much the issue of slavery itself, but the fact that the slaves had no choice about the matter...They did not enter into a business contract in the same sense that others in our society did.Angie Van De Merwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12617299120618867829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-32563528586088695392012-09-03T12:15:06.103-04:002012-09-03T12:15:06.103-04:00Thanks for that info, John. Would it be fair to s...Thanks for that info, John. Would it be fair to say that states rights was the way in which the South tried to fight the increasing pressure of the North to try to eliminate slavery? In the same way, states rights is currently the way Republicans have been fighting national health care reform?Ken Schenckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-8105554995349173212012-09-03T11:50:10.035-04:002012-09-03T11:50:10.035-04:00The period from 1880-1910 has been classified as t...The period from 1880-1910 has been classified as the Nadir of American Race Relations. This was a period of extra-legal violence, the rise of legal segregation(in both north and south), and economic peonage. Voting rights were also restricted. It is a sad commentary on America of that period. It is thus understandable that black Wesleyan Methodists would want autonomy from white Americans and that white Wesleyans were ready to accede to the culture of the times. This was also an era of Social Darwinism, low taxes(little public support for black education) and small government. It was a period also when many former white abolitionists and their descendants abandoned the black population. All of us should be saddened by this period of our history which also saw the former Confederates developed the Lost Cause Mythology that the war was over states rights rather than slavery. Anyone who doubts the role of slavery should read the Cornerstone speech of Alexander Stephens(the vice-president of the Confederacy). I also showed in my dissertation the role of race in the prior decade from 1848-52.John C. Gardnernoreply@blogger.com