tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post1743375171695869308..comments2024-03-28T03:25:49.943-04:00Comments on Common Denominator: McKnight 6: Salvation takes over GospelKen Schenckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-45766608561385485082011-11-09T23:34:05.469-05:002011-11-09T23:34:05.469-05:00Practically speaking, I'd say the shift was we...Practically speaking, I'd say the shift was well underway at whatever point Eurpoe's xians were being conditioned to fixate on individualized eternal rewards after death.<br /><br />But no, the shift wasn't complete until much later. That's clear.<br /><br />Looking forward to more...Bill Heromanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05283809456471966882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-15735555719974835502011-11-09T22:41:19.927-05:002011-11-09T22:41:19.927-05:00I had never really asked the question Bill, but it...I had never really asked the question Bill, but it does seem to me that Scot has a point when he basically claims that the Reformation centered on salvation issues. Sola scriptura was really a side issue about how such things should be decided. But sola gratia, sola fide, and solus Christus are all about salvation. I suppose you might say that the excesses of fundraising for the Vatican brought up the issue and of course the empowerment of local states over centralized authorities drove it through. Scot doesn't think the shift completely took place for a couple hundred years.Ken Schenckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-29110739932039416512011-11-09T17:51:51.087-05:002011-11-09T17:51:51.087-05:00Thanks for these posts, Ken. Really fantastic, an...Thanks for these posts, Ken. Really fantastic, and fascinating so far.<br /><br />I'm no expert on the Augsburg or Geneva confessions, but it seems like the emphasis on individual salvation (practically speaking) began long before Luther. Coins in boxes and purgatory's locks, and what not.<br /><br />It's always seemed to me that the Medieval Church, having assumed itself to be God's Kingdom de-facto, shifted their emphasis to personal salvation as a Governing tactic. 'Stay obedient, peasants, and the next life will be better. Or not!'<br /><br />At any rate, saying "the Reformation itself centered on such issues" begs the natural question - <b><i>why</i></b> did it? So I must ask: Is McKnight simply going out of his way to avoid blaming those Catholics directly for all this, or am I missing some nuance in the conclusion here?Bill Heromanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05283809456471966882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-68225290996106034162011-11-09T13:37:15.230-05:002011-11-09T13:37:15.230-05:00thanks for the encouragement...thanks for the encouragement...Ken Schenckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-18682327585873520542011-11-09T13:30:19.926-05:002011-11-09T13:30:19.926-05:00Thumbs up! Great review and awesome reflection an...Thumbs up! Great review and awesome reflection and expansion on the themes presented in the book.<br /><br />Thanks againAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com