tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post7914600571621901514..comments2024-03-28T09:52:15.415-04:00Comments on Common Denominator: Book Review: Story of Wesleyan ChurchKen Schenckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-37796740953258159232012-08-15T19:38:12.761-04:002012-08-15T19:38:12.761-04:00Christians believe in all of humanity as created i...Christians believe in all of humanity as created in God's image(however defined). Natural Rights originate with God and our common across all cultures(cf Abraham Lincoln and the work of historians Mark Noll and A. Guelzo). Slavery is an abomination as was segregation. It was supported by those great small government heroes of the Old South and even Ron and Rand Paul are skeptical to some degree about the Civil Rights law of 1964. Liberty and equality have always been in tension in the United States. Anyone too young to have actually experienced segregation or the Civil Rights period(or have black friends who were segregated) needs to study American history and that of Brazil, Cuba and even 19the century Puerto Rico.John C. Gardnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-20504411493098569982012-08-15T16:29:28.738-04:002012-08-15T16:29:28.738-04:00Okay, Liberty as Equality is "Diversity in Un...Okay, Liberty as Equality is "Diversity in Unity", (many kinds, or aspects in One Nation) while Equality as Liberty is "Unity in Diversity" (Free Thought)...Both are true in our country...I'm not a historian, so I am limited n my information...<br /><br />But the University comes from "unity in diversity", doesn't it?Angie Van De Merwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12617299120618867829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-55447305075522123652012-08-15T16:20:29.340-04:002012-08-15T16:20:29.340-04:00Spoken as a Lincoln-Roosevelt Republican ;-)Spoken as a Lincoln-Roosevelt Republican ;-)Ken Schenckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-70204641930037707822012-08-15T16:10:25.466-04:002012-08-15T16:10:25.466-04:00The language the Founders used, indeed was "p...The language the Founders used, indeed was "protective" of differences in the population, but I don't think with the way in which they governed in government was done in a spirit of arrogance. They wanted to promote liberty as equality, not equality as liberty. But, perhaps that shows my bias, because both could be argued. <br /><br />The former (liberty as equality) allowed for differences in development or understanding of "nature", while the other (equality as liberty) is based on material factors or measuring equalty....Angie Van De Merwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12617299120618867829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-26552140814593735112012-08-15T16:03:31.655-04:002012-08-15T16:03:31.655-04:00And why not, if ALL men are created equal, meaning...And why not, if ALL men are created equal, meaning that universal is not identified within just our nation's borders, but the whole globe!!! <br />Universal healthcare has been a U.N. project for eons, in limiting population growth and education, etc. It is a corrupt organization...it lends itself to allowing subversive governments to oversee committees that are not in our nation's interest! Isn't this the project to promote global governance. I don't think that is practical....just as the Founders didn't.Angie Van De Merwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12617299120618867829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-57749803159598433512012-08-15T15:58:34.793-04:002012-08-15T15:58:34.793-04:00Spoken as a ideological liberal...
Clarence Thomas...Spoken as a ideological liberal...<br />Clarence Thomas is an "originalist", as to Constitutional principles....Yes, it is true that culture changes, but ideals must be within some boundary, otherwise, "anything goes". The "rule of law", which is the balancing of power is what prevents the perversion of government. Otherwise, we do promote lawlessness in government leadershp. And this is what we are finding with executive grabs of power with executive orders, subterfuge of the legislative branch, and a disregard and snubbing of the judiacary, which was to hold to the value of the Constitutional guidelines.<br /><br />Healthcare has been an issue that has challenged the Constitutional principles....Angie Van De Merwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12617299120618867829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-3380322293057920752012-08-15T10:09:12.850-04:002012-08-15T10:09:12.850-04:00One of the things I appreciated about the second c...One of the things I appreciated about the second chapter is the fact that it did not whitewash the double speak and inconsistencies in our founding documents, speaking of equality while denying it to slaves. Yet individuals like Clarence Thomas would hold us to the meanings in the heads of the lowest common denominator rather than follow through on the more important principles with which those thoughts were inconsistent.Ken Schenckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-12527268777967943162012-08-15T10:04:47.772-04:002012-08-15T10:04:47.772-04:00correction, The Declaration of Independence was th...correction, The Declaration of Independence was the basis of the natural rights cause, as to equality based on nature (and nature's god)...The Constitution was the practical or conservative boundary making "formula" for our nation's definition of government.Angie Van De Merwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12617299120618867829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-29005135158062057912012-08-15T10:01:25.143-04:002012-08-15T10:01:25.143-04:00"Slavery" was ONE of the social problems..."Slavery" was ONE of the social problems that was headed by the "civil rights movement". <br /><br />Civil Rights were the rights granted under our Constitutional Government in the natural sense. But, in the supernatural sense, it was granted by "God". <br /><br />Pragmatically, everyone is not equal, but idealistically everyone is. Our culture grants that because people are equal as to rights, then, all people need to be granted the respect that demands. This is how civility is defined. We have organized our society by those "ideals", by the social contract, which protects all people's rights as a natural right. These are negative rights, in the conservative sense, but the progressive seeks to expand the "rights movement" to include all of humanity, which is practically impossible. But, it is the basis of the "human rights movement". The solution has been contracts based on mutual agreement. These agreements benefit each party, as people are made to seek their own interests. This is how our globalized economy works.<br /><br />The progressive seeks the impossible as to equalty, while the conservative seeks to maintain the boundaries that protect defintions around social structures.Angie Van De Merwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12617299120618867829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-36228805355024843572012-08-15T09:28:31.169-04:002012-08-15T09:28:31.169-04:00Ken,
Thanks for the summary of the chatters that ...Ken,<br /><br />Thanks for the summary of the chatters that you have read thus far. Also, thanks for the points for consideration. I would say that I have to agree with your comments regarding the differences between many contemporary stances against sin and the stance against slavery.<br /><br />Good stuff as always!Joshua Rhonehttp://www.joshuahrhone.comnoreply@blogger.com