tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post7507044962569200102..comments2024-03-28T03:25:49.943-04:00Comments on Common Denominator: Excerpt from Paper: "Charismatic" CopyistsKen Schenckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-57174055064524958132012-05-28T21:30:15.581-04:002012-05-28T21:30:15.581-04:00Ken,
Traditions were all oral and though there was...Ken,<br />Traditions were all oral and though there was no "ruling authority" before the institutionalization of the Church, people still have a LOT to assume, don't they, as to "faith"? And since even sources are missing, or limited, doesn't one have to be "charismatic" (by choice or by default) to even believe in how the text has been theologically understood?Angie Van De Merwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12617299120618867829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-17173287560051703822012-05-28T09:23:22.974-04:002012-05-28T09:23:22.974-04:00Angie, there was no political center in the early ...Angie, there was no political center in the early period to control the copying of texts. There was no pope, despite older Roman Catholic views. There is a point at which what you are calling a "critical eye" becomes unjustified skepticism, like the lunatic mythicists that James McGrath is constantly dissing. Dan Wallace's careful eye has carefully documented quotes from Ehrman that indicate even he is not as pessimistic as some take him.<br /><br />By the way, for all my rhetoric, I am not hostile to Ehrman. My pilgrimage is very similar to his except my big picture personality did not allow fundamentalism to stick to me as strongly as it apparently did to him. I smile when I think of how much money he's making off of the arcane subject of textual criticism.Ken Schenckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-23644575641629316512012-05-28T09:14:11.583-04:002012-05-28T09:14:11.583-04:00So are you saying that the copyists projected upon...So are you saying that the copyists projected upon the text their own desires? That seems plausible, but I assumed that these "transcribers" were being careful about their "scholarship". Or are you suggesting that the political elite held domination over the views of the scribes? Don't all humans tend to "confirm" their own biases, if they are not careful? Can anyone be unbiases? <br /><br />Bart Ehrman is just a little more honest with the facts of the matter. He approaches the text with a critical eye, which believers do not have, nor do they desire to have. "Faith" is their foundational approach, which prohibits critical assessment!<br /><br />"Faith" means that one doesn't discern amongst manuscripts, and ancient writings, but assumes that what has been "taught and recieved" is the truth (the Apostle's creed). It is cultural indoctrination. And it is how humans attempt to justify their cultural understandings, their identity, if you will.<br /><br />The recent "culture wars" between believers over what constitutes "truth faith" is a case in point. One side believes that without "social works", then faith is dead, while the other claims that the Protestant work ethic, American ideals and "Christian values" are the "disciple's commitments"! Both can be justified by scripture. And since we are a Protestant nation, we are allowed these diverse viewpoints. It is just a shame that religious tests are used to judge political candidates, as reliigous tests were never meant to be used for political office!Angie Van De Merwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12617299120618867829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-17365286266064549732012-05-28T06:24:02.428-04:002012-05-28T06:24:02.428-04:00"Maybe if he had been a charismatic, he would..."Maybe if he had been a charismatic, he wouldn’t have lost his faith." <br /><br />Or someone whose ecclesiology actually matches that found in the New Testament, regardless of text type or early translation.FrGregACCAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00368463715994694203noreply@blogger.com