tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post7101998465622216770..comments2024-03-28T09:52:15.415-04:00Comments on Common Denominator: Tom Wright's Surprised by Hope ...8Ken Schenckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-54054048301754878912009-04-27T14:39:00.000-04:002009-04-27T14:39:00.000-04:00Ryan, It is just a matter of semantics for me. The...Ryan, It is just a matter of semantics for me. There is no spiritual birth, except in the individual's mind, which interprets a certain "scripture", message, community, or upbringing...and is "put together" in a certain way that makes sense or brings meaning to life....<br /><br />As to what you are specifically talking about, then, is Wrights' attempt to "find a third way", as Church Fathers sought? The third way being between the scientific view (materialism) and spiritual (transcendentalism)..which is found within the human sciences.<br /><br />And when you talk about an "eschlogical hope" (Paul), that, to me spiritualizes the real world of politics, such that it really doesn't do what is needful in changing the political system that oppresses!<br /><br />Real truth works its way our practically, which any "holiness person" would believe and that is more than some spiriual by and by, which happens to effect what one does in the real world...such as "spiritual leadership"....leadership is leadership, as there is no way to "know" spiritual truth as in the transcendent or "special revelation"...Angie Van De Merwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12617299120618867829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-81147379880631555972009-04-27T13:45:00.000-04:002009-04-27T13:45:00.000-04:00Angie,
No Wright is not really on that paradigm i...Angie,<br /><br />No Wright is not really on that paradigm in a meaningful way (postmillinial). He believe makes the case that the mistake of Rauschenbausch and other social gospellers is that they believe that they can "build the kingdom." Wright holds that we believe that we can "build for the kingdom." By this he means that we contribute to the kingdom but by God's power and a catclysmic act of God, our pieces are put together in the new kingdom. Thus our work is not left behind, though it is not postmill. <br /><br />Does that make some sense?Ryan Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-64561217792911237392009-04-27T13:04:00.000-04:002009-04-27T13:04:00.000-04:00Thanks, I've often wondered how NT Wright's eschat...Thanks, I've often wondered how NT Wright's eschatology fleshes out. Much of the 'new creation theology' can leave one with the sense that we are left to build God's kingdom here on earth without a sense of how we are navigating the course, or how close it is to being fully realized. It would be interesting to hear his speculations on what that will/should look like (the time leading up to Christ's second coming).David Rowenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-21368262665984132212009-04-27T12:02:00.000-04:002009-04-27T12:02:00.000-04:00Isn't Wright's understanding a "post-millinial" vi...Isn't Wright's understanding a "post-millinial" view? That is, after Jesus recieved the "spirit" and the Church recieived the "spirit"? Then, the mystery is the "spirit" of God that is present in human form. <br /><br />The Church being the "new temple" of the holy spirit is then, to be the "New Jerusalem" that is to bring about a "new humanity" in "god's image". <br /><br />Isn't that the paradigm? If not, I'm not on the same page with anyone, and won't benefit the conversation...so I'll shut up.<br /><br />I mean that the "me" understanding is to be a "we" one...Angie Van De Merwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12617299120618867829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-33755589607695841052009-04-27T11:52:00.000-04:002009-04-27T11:52:00.000-04:00Response code:
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#2 - ...Response code:<br /><br />#1 - doesn't understand post<br />#2 - proceeds on tangentially to discuss freedom, America, etc.Ken Schenckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-90744318560355351912009-04-27T11:48:00.000-04:002009-04-27T11:48:00.000-04:00But, I must say, that also, I doubt that "the perf...But, I must say, that also, I doubt that "the perfect world" will transpire, no matter what we do or don't do...so what do we work for? What we believe in in ultmately...do we believe that the nation state needs protection? YES! as long as there are those that do not believe in freedom and justice for the individual!!! <br /><br />Do human rights need defense? YES!! as long as there are those that do not believe in freedom and justice for all! So the nation, as well as the individual need "protection" of the law! And even those truths can bring about a conflict of interests, it is then, the individual's choice as to where they will commit...and what they will or won't do in regards to those "ideals"!Angie Van De Merwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12617299120618867829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-13706220268414307572009-04-27T10:38:00.000-04:002009-04-27T10:38:00.000-04:00So, is Wright's demythologizing about going to a c...So, is Wright's demythologizing about going to a city, whose 'icons" have been destroyed "to bring about hope"? <br /><br />I am with you, in regards to universalizing these ways of undersanding "the truth". Historicizing the text by applying it directly after demythologizing it, does give "reality" to the "proposition" (incarnational truth). That is, missionaries are thsoe who do "humanitarian aid". But, one doesn't need the church to do humanitarian aid...the State Department does this and is more "well connected" than any deomination. And if the denomination connects with the State Department then there is a dissolving of individual conscience issues, in regards to the separation of Church and State...<br /><br />Myth is useful for any religion is pointing to 'truth" that is transcendent. Truth is understood in Greek forms, as that is what was understood to be universal and philosophy was the language of science or understanding of "reality".<br /><br />Today, the disicplines have been dissolved into their "speicalties" without understanding their purposes....of developing a whole view of the human being and their reality (ies)...Angie Van De Merwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12617299120618867829noreply@blogger.com