tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post6718554095214700..comments2024-03-28T03:25:49.943-04:00Comments on Common Denominator: 9.4 A Soul in a Body, Part 1Ken Schenckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-10066532772389048742010-02-08T07:58:17.940-05:002010-02-08T07:58:17.940-05:00Andrew, I'm not sure how your first and third ...Andrew, I'm not sure how your first and third relate to this discussion. Gehenna is still possible in a scheme that sees a body of some sort necessary for existence. <br /><br />Your quote from Matthew is one that needs to be strongly considered as a passage that is dualistic. If that is what it implies, however, it is a relatively rare instance in the Bible. The biblical imagery is varied and we have to sort it out as biblical theologians.Ken Schenckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-70264740577620900662010-02-07T23:25:51.880-05:002010-02-07T23:25:51.880-05:00Gehenna does mean hell. Hell is where you cast awa...Gehenna does mean hell. Hell is where you cast away your dead, and in the judgment, hell is cast into fire, which is when it absolutely destroys body and soul. <br /><br />Mat 5:22 KJV<br />(22) ...but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.<br /><br />Mat 10:28 KJV<br />(28) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.<br /><br />Rev 20:14 KJV<br />(14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.<br /><br />After the judgment, body and soul shall be destroyed in hell fire. That's not a mistake.<br /><br />The words are just fine as they are in the King's English. If you start tossing around Greek and Hebrew words like "sheol" and "hades" and "gehenna" you also risk bringing in the baggage of superstition, myth, and philosophy that's been packaged into these terms by modern theology.Andrew Patrickhttp://www.scribd.com/Rning1611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-26820517274829443042010-01-27T12:40:13.726-05:002010-01-27T12:40:13.726-05:00I settled this more in my mind when I came to the ...I settled this more in my mind when I came to the conclusion (from Scripture and some of the Church Fathers) that humans were created mortal, not immortal. If we were created immmortal then we would not need the tree of life, both in the garden of Eden and in the Kingdom.Paul Tillmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13828799256501318603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-62512348597740723752010-01-25T04:04:44.985-05:002010-01-25T04:04:44.985-05:00Since reading Wright I've also seen how much m...Since reading Wright I've also seen how much mainline, even orthodox historical Christianity, has in common with gnostic platonic dualism: believe this and receive blissful disembodied reward at the expense of the very this-worldly Jewish hope.<br /><br />One problem with a very "fleshy" view of resurrection is the question of where Jesus' body is currently located: if he's in a non-physical heaven, where's his body?<br /><br />Jesus seems to indicate (Mt 5) that the physical fire of Gehenna (not Hell people) can destroy body and soul - I know it would destory my psyche to be burned alive! So, when Peter writes that "the goal of your faith [is] the salvation of your souls" we might be wrong to think of classic heaven/hell duality and instead consider worldly rescue.<br /><br />I think Wright is right that Jewish hope of salvation was primarily about this-worldly rescue and vindication for the living and bodily resurrection for the faithful departed <i>so that</i> they could share in the <i>worldly</i> New Creation - no escaping to heaven.Marchttp://criticalbelief.comnoreply@blogger.com