tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post6018030188947836876..comments2024-03-28T09:52:15.415-04:00Comments on Common Denominator: 5 Cheers for Mike Delph and Immigration Reform ;-)Ken Schenckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-77003865107040963182011-03-21T13:50:20.527-04:002011-03-21T13:50:20.527-04:00Speak for yourself Ken. I was suggesting a possib...Speak for yourself Ken. I was suggesting a possible upgrade at the position for the University only:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-61897953583730154292011-03-20T16:57:48.081-04:002011-03-20T16:57:48.081-04:00It could happen Craig. I'm sure there are ill...It could happen Craig. I'm sure there are illegal immigrants out there who are far more righteous than you or I.Ken Schenckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-36990510325527319102011-03-20T16:13:48.293-04:002011-03-20T16:13:48.293-04:00I have a real good idea Ken, why don't you kee...I have a real good idea Ken, why don't you keep your job at Motel 6 and ask your boss if you can be full time.... let the illegal Mexican take your job at IWU, I know I would be happy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-78555522746551361532011-03-19T17:54:29.698-04:002011-03-19T17:54:29.698-04:00Sorry I misunderstood you, Ken. Thanks for clarif...Sorry I misunderstood you, Ken. Thanks for clarifying.FrGregACCAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00368463715994694203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-48439011892307050022011-03-19T16:59:05.771-04:002011-03-19T16:59:05.771-04:00I meant I didn't see how you could equate &quo...I meant I didn't see how you could equate "the rule of law" as Tim meant to some higher law either determined from philosophy or from the Bible. In other words, I was suggesting the that the trajectory of Scripture is in the other direction, as you suggest.Ken Schenckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-60490061270878448122011-03-19T12:09:01.039-04:002011-03-19T12:09:01.039-04:00I think it is impossible to live under biblical te...I think it is impossible to live under biblical texts as an absolute for life and all that is. It bcomes irrational, because it isn't based on what humans have come to understand in their study of different disciplines, but some supernatural revelation that has priority over other sources of information about 'what is".<br /><br />As to what "should be", well, that is a matter up for debate and is what drives the culture wars. If people understood the text to be a conglomeration of different languages, times and purposes, then they might be more honest with themselves and think for themselves about what society "should be" apart from the "demands of God"...which is really interpreted in some way or another.<br /><br />"Secular sources" were just as much a part of our legal system as the "Ten Commandments"....Angie Van De Merwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12617299120618867829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-78412092872972389002011-03-19T11:56:28.517-04:002011-03-19T11:56:28.517-04:00Ken writes: "I'm not sure, however, how ...Ken writes: "I'm not sure, however, how someone would appeal to some higher law here, either by way of philosophy or Christianity."<br /><br />My goodness, Ken! Going back to Abraham, the people of God are wanderers and sojourners (cf. Hebrews 13:14) and those of us who are temporarily more-or-less "at ease in Zion" are called always consider the sojourners among us. This is, as you know, a recurrent theme in Deuteronomy. See Deuteronomy 24:17-22, for example, as well as such verses as Hebrews 13:2.<br /><br />I would also note that even the word "parish" comes from a Greek word which refers to a colony of resident aliens in a city, a "ghetto" in the original sense, a "Little Italy" or "Chinatown". <br /><br />It is especially important that we, as North Americans, remember this, in that NAFTA is largely responsible for the destruction of small agriculture in Mexico, leading to a large influx of people north of the border, seeking only to survive.<br /><br />http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/?fa=1473FrGregACCAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00368463715994694203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-54234102667150179292011-03-19T09:08:02.642-04:002011-03-19T09:08:02.642-04:00Tim, since the above is obviously exaggerated sati...Tim, since the above is obviously exaggerated satire, who knows, perhaps our actual positions are not as different as you think. <br /><br />I do have two thoughts on the "rule of law" response, which I tried to poke a little fun at in my #4 (as you know, we say all sorts of things to justify our underlying motivations, many of which we are not even aware of). <br /><br />The legislation that sparked my humorous satire was new legislation. So the idea of the "rule of law" does not apply. I am questioning a new set of laws, not existing ones.<br /><br />Second, we're the ones that make the laws. When Reagan made a pathway to citizenship in the 80s, that was the rule of law too, because it was done legally and Constitutionally.<br /><br />I'm not sure, however, how someone would appeal to some higher law here, either by way of philosophy or Christianity.Ken Schenckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-654812270226996592011-03-18T21:36:22.230-04:002011-03-18T21:36:22.230-04:00"The sabbath was made for humanity, not human..."The sabbath was made for humanity, not humanity for the sabbath."<br /><br />As the above statement from our Lord illustrates, the rule of law also is but a means to an end and, when that end is better served by bending the law rather than harshly enforcing it, the latter becomes imperative.FrGregACCAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00368463715994694203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-44794879206139929482011-03-18T15:10:26.767-04:002011-03-18T15:10:26.767-04:00I have never read a satire so infantile and sterio...I have never read a satire so infantile and steriotypical in my life, i.e. regarding Rep Delph. Why must a Christian be so hatefully satirical to other Christians who believe in the rule of law and a gate through which our diverse foreign visitors can arrive in our great country - I do not hate them. i.e. those who are here illegally - we are enriched by those who wish to live side by side with the rest of us. We welcome them, legally, and we extend the love of Christ to our neighbors, legal or illegal - but we're talking here about the matter of law and common sense. Why be intolerant and incindieary about it! And, I am not stupid, as you imply.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18390000449288556691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-39062865616450538662011-03-18T15:03:41.773-04:002011-03-18T15:03:41.773-04:00Wow, what an immature insulting satire of any Chri...Wow, what an immature insulting satire of any Christian who loves foreigners and diversity but who believes in the rule of law and a honest gate through which our cherished visitors can come. I've never read anything more infantile and steriotypical. Very tolerant of you sir! T.C.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18390000449288556691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-28958039125425316272011-03-17T15:34:58.947-04:002011-03-17T15:34:58.947-04:00I should've suspected that you also were a mor...I should've suspected that you also were a moral realist, too. And I bet with John Wesley's perfection of love doctrine of holiness, that those "scribes and Pharisees" who aren't bent on subverting our country's honor, viability and future to Utopian goals are "doomed" under the "judgment of God"...because they don't do good works to the poor by granting entitlement programs....;-)<br />Public policy is dangerous in the hands of religion or ideologues of any kind. Therefore, while I can grant you that implimenting a 'Christian Nation" would be tantamont to Taliban oppression to many, the more moderate in the Tea Party movement have concern over our nation's future hope. There is nothing to dismiss about that concern, or their activism.Angie Van De Merwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12617299120618867829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-25947041877482362522011-03-17T12:15:42.296-04:002011-03-17T12:15:42.296-04:00haha it probably was softer than that.haha it probably was softer than that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-21466669352322400132011-03-17T12:09:26.687-04:002011-03-17T12:09:26.687-04:00I thought it was softer than "Woe to you, scr...I thought it was softer than "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites..." ;-)Ken Schenckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-11434337384272945012011-03-17T11:52:11.474-04:002011-03-17T11:52:11.474-04:00wow im impressed. you have lowered yourself to the...wow im impressed. you have lowered yourself to the standards of the extremists on both sides by your extreme sarcasm. Great example for the dean of the seminary to setAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-6484723300112185002011-03-16T22:59:49.401-04:002011-03-16T22:59:49.401-04:00BTW, I didn't appreciate what you said about M...BTW, I didn't appreciate what you said about Michele Bachman. I think she is a valuable asset to our government. She attempts to hold government accountable and represent her constiuency...and I think she is well-spoken and attractive...<br /><br />As to Mike Delph, I don't know his poliy or stance, except for what you've written here. Even though I think it is funny what you write, since I don't know his stance, wouldn't your sarcasm hinder my ability to think about the subject rationally and seriously?<br /><br />Make no mistake, I believe that your entry was "entertaining" (and your civil right) if that was what you were wanting to accomplish.Angie Van De Merwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12617299120618867829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-45603403707881528382011-03-16T22:40:04.159-04:002011-03-16T22:40:04.159-04:00LOL! Good response, too, ::athada::
Seriously, Ken...LOL! Good response, too, ::athada::<br />Seriously, Ken, don't we have to question whether there is a "moral ought"? <br />Richard Carrier has a good blog entry on "Moral Ontology", but I also liked this dissertation from Princeton; (His view doesn't hold to moral realism)....<br /><br />http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~jgreene/GreeneWJH/Greene-Dissertation.pdf<br /><br />I am finding that I need to clarify terms many times, as I am not informed formally about philosophical distinctions. But, it is interesting, nonetheless...Angie Van De Merwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12617299120618867829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-31441071457628899422011-03-16T20:00:43.273-04:002011-03-16T20:00:43.273-04:00Now you're starting to make so much more sense...Now you're starting to make so much more sense... better send the ICE agents in on the Spanish-speaking MDIV students in Marion. I hear they're up to something sinister... but I'm still confused what they're studying b/c the Bible was written in English!::athada::https://www.blogger.com/profile/09046982982270546995noreply@blogger.com