tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post4030011911479458103..comments2024-03-17T10:13:20.234-04:00Comments on Common Denominator: Driscoll and the ESV 6Ken Schenckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-33352056834504094292013-09-08T13:36:05.527-04:002013-09-08T13:36:05.527-04:00I've enjoyed this series of posts, Ken. Boy, w...I've enjoyed this series of posts, Ken. Boy, was I surprised this morning in a Wesleyan church when the pastor read from Ephesians 4:11-13 and I hear the word "manhood" in there. Came home and looked it up and discovered he was using the ESV. I'm not sure how I feel about that, but I do feel TWC is losing it's way when it comes to affirming women in ministry.Pattynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-74596937154896832382013-08-27T10:38:04.558-04:002013-08-27T10:38:04.558-04:00Cool, that's very calming, thank-you! It just...Cool, that's very calming, thank-you! It just occurred to me that if the Wesleyan church is convicted to support women into Professional ministry, perhaps it would prove wise for her to have a woman somewhere placed whose job it would be to seek out women so called and make sure they are receiving the care and support they need to prepare them for Seminary, in that supportive local churches are so hard to find. <br />It seems that to say, in essence, "Go find a church that will support you" while knowing that a woman may well not be able to do that, is like telling a hungry person that you will pray for her, but then not offering her any food (James 2:14-26).<br />SusanSusan Moorehttp://thecommonlanguage.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-17530912050040154522013-08-27T09:46:51.481-04:002013-08-27T09:46:51.481-04:00Our professors would work with you, even if all a ...Our professors would work with you, even if all a church would let you do is interview various members of the congregation.Ken Schenckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-54549098635565369602013-08-27T09:38:18.712-04:002013-08-27T09:38:18.712-04:00Without knowing what the assignments would be, I d...Without knowing what the assignments would be, I don't know if my church would engage me enough to do my assignments. Otherwise, it seems I would have to move out of this area.<br />Ok, so where would I go? I would desire to find a church who would support me before I committed to moving, and yet I have been told by Pastors that they would want me to be a member and active in their congregations first, and then they would decide whether or not they would support me. These are Pastors from female-friendly denominations but who have no personal track record of supporting a woman into Professional ministry. To be honest, I am beginning to understand why it seems more and more people leave the local church and form their own fellowships and study groups within their communities. To them, for multiple reasons, the local church is a deceptive and corrupt business that is self-serving, it does not celebrate the gifting of the Spirit and promote the diversity of the expression of the Spirit through its members. Whether it's Catholic or Protestant, it's still all about conforming to the rules that support the bias of church leadership, all in the name of God.<br />Do I sound jaded? I'm not. I'm hopeful still, and learning a lot. When I was miraculously healed I was figuring that I would be coming late to the party, but I see the party hasn't started yet. That's good news, I hate being late!<br />Susan Susan Moorehttp://thecommonlanguage.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-86624328021292914762013-08-27T07:58:29.160-04:002013-08-27T07:58:29.160-04:00hear hear... yes! If God calls a woman to preach ...hear hear... yes! If God calls a woman to preach and her church refuses to ordain her she should find a church who will. Same for a man.Keith Druryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05058949281404407630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-64858182253577431892013-08-27T07:04:23.345-04:002013-08-27T07:04:23.345-04:00We have women in our program whose churches let th...We have women in our program whose churches let them engage their congregations enough to do their assignments but who do not support women in any leadership position. There are women in our program that have had to change churches, not for us, but because the leaders of their churches did not support their call to ministry.Ken Schenckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-21280569164954174082013-08-27T02:47:17.322-04:002013-08-27T02:47:17.322-04:00Perhaps I should complete that earlier thought . ...Perhaps I should complete that earlier thought . In order to be accepted into a Seminary, does not one have to be supported/sent by one's church? So if a woman is not supported by any church, how is it possible for her to acquire the initials after her name that the secular world demands so that she may enter their institutions and care for God's people in them, as she has been Spirit-led to do? Just to say, 'God will make a way' reveals ignorance on the part of the person who says that -God does not usurp our will. He may joyfully lead her willing and tender heart somewhere else, as the people in the initial institutions continue to suffer and go without. <br />God did make a way, and the way He made was, by grace, through us.<br />Sorry, now I got on my bandwagon, how do you do that? :-)<br />Susan<br />Susan Moorehttp://thecommonlanguage.com/wordpress2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-30258444698364652442013-08-27T02:22:49.566-04:002013-08-27T02:22:49.566-04:00Well, there's a lot to think about in all thos...Well, there's a lot to think about in all those blogs. I've never been in a Wesleyan church, and have discovered that there are none I can get to on the bus system in time for Sunday service. Also, I'm hard pressed to find any church in my area whose male Pastor will disciple/support a woman called to the leadership of God's people. That's in any denomination, even ones who are reported to be friendly to women. I'm not finished looking, though. A while back I spoke with a rare female Pastor almost in my area and she said she doesn't have time to disciple people (I asked her after explaining I would come to her church and serve in whatever capacity she would like me to, to help reduce her workload so she would have time.) It occurs to me, one reason why the Church may be shrinking...<br />Do words say it all?<br />SusanSusan Moorehttp://thecommonlanguage.com/wordpress2noreply@blogger.com