tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post2745835911794456354..comments2024-03-28T09:52:15.415-04:00Comments on Common Denominator: Post-Christian Wesleyan Movement 2Ken Schenckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-55196377150554943032014-07-03T11:58:58.553-04:002014-07-03T11:58:58.553-04:00This has me really thinking. Thinking what, I am n...This has me really thinking. Thinking what, I am not sure yet. But something about this has a hold on me. Something about ecumenical gatherings of passionate intent, reading up fully engaged people of several traditions. I can't fathom what to do with that in my current context, but I want this as much as I want anything. I never before felt Wesley to be so inspiring.Steven Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04618946496776720190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-64455922732367518482014-06-25T15:04:40.953-04:002014-06-25T15:04:40.953-04:00It was a pleasure to dream with you!It was a pleasure to dream with you!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14521626026238786320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-49526317723922035672014-06-25T11:45:57.785-04:002014-06-25T11:45:57.785-04:00There are many that do not "come to faith&quo...There are many that do not "come to faith", but internalize their family's "tradition". These are more prone to understand themselves and others within a particular context. Identity becomes the issue. Group identification is still "tribal" and not a chosen path because of certain values.<br /><br />American is a "Christian" nation because America believes that the individual can choose his own path, whether of belief in "God" or not. Americans are not to be "pre-determined", but "self-determined".Angie Van De Merwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12617299120618867829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-73021592632599061722014-06-25T11:36:23.529-04:002014-06-25T11:36:23.529-04:00Besides the "filoque" argument, which mi...Besides the "filoque" argument, which might reflect a more scholarly question, there is the issue of "inspiration" of scripture, too.<br /><br />A natural understanding of religion is a progressive view, where history develops the myth within a particular context.<br /><br />A supernatural understanding of religion is a sanctified text, person or philosophy, revealed by an interventional "god".<br /><br />The natural understanding is cool headed, while the supernatural understanding is warm hearted.<br />Angie Van De Merwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12617299120618867829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-65442300448073457842014-06-25T11:28:41.532-04:002014-06-25T11:28:41.532-04:00Ken,
If you believe that humans "come to fai...Ken, <br />If you believe that humans "come to faith" because of basic human needs, then, the reality of "faith" is belief in a mythological replacement to that unmet need. The need to feel "special" or valued is a common human need. Doesn't that preclude a view that the established church is "less than" an evangelical outlook?! <br /><br />But, if your view is that the "evangelical model" is the REALITY for ALL TIME, then, you'd be more inclined to FLAME the established churches, thinking that these were "half-hearted", "lukewarm" and "fallen from grace".<br /><br />These two approaches are different in their basic foundations. One approaches the church from a natural understanding, while the other approaches the church from a supernatual understanding.<br /><br />The Wesleyans can fit into either box, as Wesley must've agreed to be "all things to all people". He, himself was a preacher and a scholar. But, in doing so, the Wesleyans cannot be defined or confined to a particular "box" and can come across as deceptive, by those trying to understand what "Wesleyan" really means.<br /><br />Doesn't some of the difficulty come with the understanding of the "filoque"?Angie Van De Merwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12617299120618867829noreply@blogger.com