tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post2347356942568637231..comments2024-03-28T09:52:15.415-04:00Comments on Common Denominator: Rob Bell's Love WinsKen Schenckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-23654926711208376922011-05-04T17:11:12.109-04:002011-05-04T17:11:12.109-04:00Hey Ken, thanks for sharing your thoughts here. ...Hey Ken, thanks for sharing your thoughts here. I am looking for the Wesleyan/Arminian Response to RB's book, Love Wins (beyond Scott M.). I have read the entire book and have formed some opinions. I have also read much of the "Reformed" Camp's response, but have not seen a strong stand one way or the other from the Wesleyan camp. <br /><br />Do the W/A's believe RB redefines the Gospel in Love Wins?<br /><br />Do the W/A's believe in Universalism? RB sure opens this door in the book and in interviews even if he says he is not a universalist.<br /><br />BTW-I have roots in both camps.<br /><br />I would love your thoughts! Thanks!Dr. Jeff Baxterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08230555062215237147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-12454659660237443362011-04-28T23:27:29.611-04:002011-04-28T23:27:29.611-04:00Nijay Gupta provides a similar critique of John Ma...Nijay Gupta provides a similar critique of <a href="http://nijaygupta.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/how-dangerous-is-rob-bell-a-response-to-john-macarthur/" rel="nofollow">John MacArthur's review</a> of Bell's book. Nijay, a Wesleyan-Arminian, argues that MacArthur's review is actually less Christian in spirit than Bell. Again, how many Wesleyans use MacArthur's material and don't know enough to realize he comes from a different theology than we do?Ken Schenckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-1470299098270560242011-04-27T13:05:59.996-04:002011-04-27T13:05:59.996-04:00wait, Driscoll is a Calvinist?! ;-)wait, Driscoll is a Calvinist?! ;-)Timothyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07909192792911680044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-81254520731495324222011-04-27T10:58:18.325-04:002011-04-27T10:58:18.325-04:00I have to agree with James, some other pastors and...I have to agree with James, some other pastors and I have been discussion some of the thoughts and questions raised by the book. Bell has a tendency to only use part of an image from a parable or the first part of a verse with out addressing the second. While his individual conclusion may not itself be wrong, He leaves many things with out follow up or explanation. I do appreciate the pastoral tone of the book though. Bell did not seem to want to write as much of a theological treatise as a pastoral (almost evangelical) work. There are some major theological themes missing (i.e. glorification) but the book has inspired me to search for answers to the piece that are missing.Josh Wileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10779279390154639717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-25019901979120446662011-04-27T08:12:22.535-04:002011-04-27T08:12:22.535-04:00I agree that Bell's most strident critics are ...I agree that Bell's most strident critics are Calvinists and that Bell's real objection is to the idea of double predestination, not hell in general. I have read the book and my problem with it is its sophomoric theology and weak exegesis. Bell wants to be NT Wright, but he is out of his league.James Gibsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08020891895617539526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-91519783093091037462011-04-27T07:52:24.113-04:002011-04-27T07:52:24.113-04:00I've wondered this about some of the rhetoric ...I've wondered this about some of the rhetoric you hear about God being a model for child-abuse by sending his son to die on the cross. Is this sentiment really responding to, say, Piper's view of things rather than to the way, say a Wesleyan-Arminian (WA) might understand the cross?Ken Schenckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-67385033237263829232011-04-27T07:48:17.911-04:002011-04-27T07:48:17.911-04:00Ken, you hit on something I've been thinking f...Ken, you hit on something I've been thinking for quite awhile that much of the emergent stuff is really a reaction against Calvinism. They would find themselves very comfortable in the WA camp. I haven't read the book, but there is a wide gap between universalism and letting God be the arbiter of His Son's saving work on the cross. As for hell, Leonard Sweet posted a great piece a month ago on the "neccesity" of hell (my words)Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17629872539660363453noreply@blogger.com