tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post1319304597073259940..comments2024-03-28T09:52:15.415-04:00Comments on Common Denominator: A Case for Brief Pastoral Counseling 1Ken Schenckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-87591738548664550282013-10-21T21:15:02.112-04:002013-10-21T21:15:02.112-04:00Apparently there is more than one way of making Or...Apparently there is more than one way of making Orphans and Widows Ministry multi-denominational in its focus of caring!<br />When I was at my former church I couldn't figure out how to include the RCs even though I have, due to mutual concerns for Human Trafficking survivors, made friends with Sisters from a convent in my city.<br />I can't wait to look back and see how He pulls this all off! <br />My priest is awesome. I'm giving my testimony this Sunday! And I'm going to work with the new Parish Nurse ministry. Perhaps God will use my 'skill set' there as well as on the streets.<br />I got the full time nursing job, and start in mid-November (this is the place that has a facility in Fort Wayne). Can't wait to start, and they are grateful to have me back.<br />I told the District Superintendent that you referred me to him, and have been very helpful in increasing my understanding of the denominational differences, and supporting me through the church change.<br />I am eternally grateful to you for all of this.Susan Moorenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-61831643888332913892013-10-21T20:48:32.834-04:002013-10-21T20:48:32.834-04:00I hope you're not disappointed :-)I hope you're not disappointed :-)Ken Schenckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-10761362343532853632013-10-21T20:47:39.604-04:002013-10-21T20:47:39.604-04:00Sent Ohio Superintendent email. I may be wrong, b...Sent Ohio Superintendent email. I may be wrong, but I have a hunch we all may be gaining experiential knowledge on just how mysterious are the ways of our good God.Susan Moorenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-66097376016066083782013-10-21T19:41:48.273-04:002013-10-21T19:41:48.273-04:00Thanks for your help!Thanks for your help!Susan Moorenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-34784983019262284702013-10-21T19:35:01.126-04:002013-10-21T19:35:01.126-04:00I would contact the Wesleyan district superintende...I would contact the Wesleyan district superintendent in your area. I don't know if this website would help: http://theohiodistrict.org/<br /><br />The DBMD is the District Board of Ministerial Development. They work with candidates for ordination.Ken Schenckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-84894991114878835712013-10-21T19:11:49.007-04:002013-10-21T19:11:49.007-04:00Ok, so I would check with the church in my city, o...Ok, so I would check with the church in my city, or a neighboring one, and also with the district office to determine what would work and what wouldn't work as far as assignments, etc... exactly what it would take for them to back me for ordination?Susan Moorenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-6958384104705026552013-10-21T19:07:25.078-04:002013-10-21T19:07:25.078-04:00You know, I can't make any promises about the ...You know, I can't make any promises about the ministerial processes. I would think a lot of local churches of most stripes would welcome some free service. Each district of the Wesleyan Church more or less decides who it ordains, although there are obviously some basic standards. Ken Schenckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-53430898278233794522013-10-21T19:04:32.467-04:002013-10-21T19:04:32.467-04:00Understood. No, it would be to become ordained as...Understood. No, it would be to become ordained as a Wesleyan.Susan Moorenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-50274575832166930042013-10-21T18:58:55.558-04:002013-10-21T18:58:55.558-04:00We have no rule that would keep a Roman Catholic f...We have no rule that would keep a Roman Catholic from applying, although our MDiv would not help one become a priest (we wouldn't be on their approved list). Ken Schenckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-89380180160683385042013-10-21T18:53:31.611-04:002013-10-21T18:53:31.611-04:00Wondering...
Would the Seminary allow a Catholic C...Wondering...<br />Would the Seminary allow a Catholic Christian to earn an MDiv. as long as the student's priest/church was supportive and allowed her to complete the assignments?<br />If yes, then can you think of any assignments that might pose a conflict due to the difference in faith traditions? Perhaps for any training in the sacraments I would need to be friendly with the Wesleyan church in my city.<br />FYI, there is no Wesleyan church within 15 miles of where the Orphans and Widows Ministry headquarters building is to be. Part of that is also the Center for Pastoral Care and Counseling (I'm thinking out loud again).Susan Moorenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8355052.post-80565598622670280502013-10-21T09:05:13.511-04:002013-10-21T09:05:13.511-04:00Amen! (Except to remember that the goal isn't ...Amen! (Except to remember that the goal isn't to run the car, it's to drive the car.)<br />I could talk for hours about this subject based on my 38 history of mental illness, plus all the garbage that happened to me as a child, plus being a mental health R.N. working in poverty stricken inner-city environments for close to 20 years.<br />And you know what is the most important thing I learned and will ever learn? Grace prevails: Jesus heals!!<br />But Almighty God has simplified it for us. Everything a 'counselor' needs to know about the human condition is in the first 3 books of Genesis. Those books also reveal God's loving mercy and grace. So, to a perspective counselor I would advise: be saved by grace through faith, be a repentant Spirit-filled person who prays without ceasing, study Genesis chpts 1-3 and the gospel of your choice -know them in your heart- and you are ready to reasonably counsel anyone, and better than 95% of the Christian counselors out there, I'm estimating.<br />There is a difference between Christian Counselors and Pastoral Counselors, at least in my mind. My understanding is that anyone who desires to call oneself a Christian, and is licensed as a counselor of some sort, can hang a sign saying they are a Christian Counselor. This is problematic. There is no bar set for how much one counsels based on Biblical principles, or even if one has ever read the Bible. A pastor/priest is typically ordained or at least licensed, and has a Biblical basis to one's background and care. Or at least a person in need can look for a pastoral counselor that way based on the faith tradition of choice.<br />Short term counseling is primo. The longer a person works with a counselor, the more attached the person tends to get to that helper. Eventually, if the person is paying the Christian Counselor, the Counselor has to decide whether or not to treat the person for free, when the person can't pay for some reason. Christians are to be loving and charitable; to love God above all else, and then people as themselves. The clencher is that we cannot love people for money. We can love people, or we can love money, but we cannot love people for money: We must pick which treasure we will love. If the counselor refuses to continue to help the person, the person knows they have trusted a hypocrite who is no closer to God than someone who has not been saved by grace. <br />Good thing I said all that online. :-)Susan Moorehttp://thecommonlanguage.comnoreply@blogger.com